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  • Jim Logan
    Jim Logan closed this thread
    21:56, May 28, 2013

    Journalists have been comparing Delsin Rowe to Alex Mercer in appearence, what do you guys think? I've been hearing it from videos done by IGN, Gamespot, etc.

    Again, what do you think?

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    • We can't really tell since we don't know the extent of Delsin's powers.

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    • I'm talking about his designs; the fact that he's got a red and black [PROTOTYPE] outift and color tone.

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    • Delsin

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    • Delsin

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    • Please, don't start another flamewar. Admins? I already sense some smoke.

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    • ^no pun intended

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    • Sucker punch said that what we see in the trailer is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of delsins powers, so there is a possibility he may be as, if not more powerful than even mercer

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    • Deslin

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    • Its not suppose to be a flamewar, we are suppose to be talking about the comparison between Delsin Rowe and Alex Mercer, Cole Macgrath's former rival.

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    • Alex Mercer and Cole never...Met.

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    • I'm talking about Marketing Rivals.

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    • Well, in my opinion, Alex will certainly win. He is immortal, since he already died and Prototype's protagonist is actually not really him. As for the fire/smoke, Prototype 2's beginning showed that all fire does to the Evolved is piss them off.

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    • Unfortunately I think you're right. Alex is a boring and evil character, but he's more powerful then Cole and Deslin.

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    • Delsin, not Deslin. Just pointing it out. :)

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    • It kind of sucks, but we have to think objectively, not just because we're fans of inFamous. I think we all agree that Mercer and almost any other evolved have much greater power than Cole or Delsin do.

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    • ...Nah. Remember, Cole fires lightning, pure lightning outta the sky.

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    • As I said before, lightning makes heat, or essentialy fire. All fire does to "prototypes" is piss them off, as showed in Prototype 2. Even if if doesn't, "prototypes" have superior reflexes, speed and agility. They will most likely just dodge Cole's lightning strike.

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    • Oh, so that's you who said that. Not gonna bother. I'm pro-Cole. End of discussion.

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    • Would you please explain me how would Cole kill a prototype? If you do not wish to believe me, allow me to introduce evidence: a link to Prototype wiki article about "prototypes".

      I'm waiting for your reply, sir.

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    • This is InFamous Wiki, not Prototype Wiki, so natrually a majority of users are going to say Rowe wins.

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    • I do not wish to explain, neither do I care. Since I prefer Cole over Mercer, I have a gut feeling Cole will win.

      And don't sir me, I'm just a normal guy like you.

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    • Hoodie, whenever someone becomes and admin, it's normal to be called "sir" or "ma'am" so people get on your good side.

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    • Well that was a disappointing conversation for me, truly. I though you wise people would judge by facts, not by preferences. Such a shame.

      But I'm going to end this discussion now. Have a fine day.

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    • The Supreme Diamond-Hooded Eagle wrote: Delsin, not Deslin. Just pointing it out. :)

      Auto correct. Can't accept that Delsin is a name.

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    • Well if Cole happened to have the RFI with him....in theInFamous universe, Alex would be an extreme type of conduit,and Cole could fry him (and himself). But with the Beast's powers, he might be able to destroy him. Don't know bout Delsin yet. Need to wait and see.

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    • Oh Jim, I know, I've been an admin. Never have I been called Sir. I have however, been called a b!tch on wheels. Not sure if cursing is allowed here, lol.

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    • IGN Rewind Theater - Infamous Second Son Announcement Trailer

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    • Mercer would probably win...

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    • You guys realize Mercer is dead right? The protagonist in Prototype 2 ate him. Having said that, if Delsin can change his body into smoke, there is no way for Alex to even hurt him. Being able to change your body into any element is serious buisness. Thats why Iceman is so powerful now and can't be killed. Who's to say if Mercer even cut Delsins limb off he couldn't regrow it back by changing into smoke similar to what Iceman does when he gets damaged.

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    • But i don't know why people are even discussing Prototype, the game bombed and the sequel was even worse.

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    • All I've been talking about is how similar they are in appearence. Since when did this become a debate of whose stronger?

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    • Here it is: Rowe vs Mercer vs Deadpool. It's obvious right?

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    • But of course. Don't forget to throw in a backstabbing Mentlegen from Team Fortress 2. :P

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    • Still the outcome old be the same. Deadpool would win.

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    • Oh well.

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    • Oh well what?

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    • What. The Hell. People?  All I've been talking about was the comparison of their design but all you've been doing is raffling off this bullshit about whose stronger, Delsin Rowe or Alex Mercer; who gives a damn?

      I made this discussion about how similar they look in comparison, my theory = its obvious isn't it?

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    • Oh well. It's escalated. Expect alot of forums to go that way.

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    • It's a lot worse on the other forum.

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    • Which forum?

      Anyway in turns of design, looks like Delsin did get influenced by Mercer. Kindal like how Prototype got their Black Boxes influenced from infamous, or so I hear. Anyway I'll put down something.

      I think the only person that can stand against Mercer is Beast Cole which is non-canon. He regenerates from any damage (from atom), can fire thunderstorms to destroy several aircraft, and use city destroying blasts of intense heat much like a nuke. Now I think Mercer is very hard to kill but he's not immortal, technically. He needs biomass but if he keeps getting ripped apart well he'll run out of biomass and die. So yeah 50/50 on Beast Cole vs Mercer

      But any other Cole, whether it is Pre-infamous 2 Cole with limitless energy, Cole with limitness energy with RFI, or Kessler, none of them can win against Mercer. (Unless Kessler can time travel and kill Mercer to prevent the creation of the prototype. Or Ghost Cole can harm Mercer)

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    • We don't know how powerful Delsin will be by the end of Second Son, do we?

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    • Sigh, and now the thread starts again.

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    • Delsin has the power to absorb other conduits powers. In the InFamous universe, mercer might be a conduit, allowing Delsin to take his power and kick his ass.

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    • Or his powers might not be absorbed at all this resulting on having Delsin's ass. On the other hand, Delsin might have gotten his hands on electricity, acid, freezing, teleportation, strength, psychic powers that would put him on a large advantage over Mercer since as far as I know, immortals and regenerators have weaknesses over being frozen to death or being melted apart by poison.


      Either way 50/50 they kill each other. Deslin just became more like Mercer to my ears. Not that it's a bad thing, they better not make Delsin too OP

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    • They can make Delsin as OP as they want, as long as they don't make the game easy. Besides, I like an OP character; have a look at Alucard from the "Hellsing" anime & manga series.

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    • Took one look at him, I think I like Mercer more now. Known him for far too long.


      Anyway they better not mess up the gameplay. That's one of the slid things I can do in infamous and what I love about it.


      Edit: Also, now that I know Delsin can absorb powers, I want him to absorb electricity and if possible darkness.

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    • Telekenisis is a big power on my list. Darkness sounds pretty cool. If you read a comic series called the Darkness, you will know how powerful that power can be.

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    • Might annoy the Starkiller fans. But we should get force hold and force choke in the game too Lol. Maybe mind control a minion to make him start attacking and becoming a distraction while Delsin sneaks away

      Saw the comic, saw the game, want em both.

      But I have different reasons for wanting Darkness too. Aside from forming dark limbs, mini black holes and having dark minions (I doubt Delsin would get that since Cole's minions were so useless). I've seen an anime(or a fanime if you can call it) using it as some sort of giant dark arm

      Also, do you think it's possible for Delsin to get wind powers or ice powers?

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    • Ice has already been done; not saying it can't again. Wind is a good idea. If we got wind then it would make sense to be able to fly. Maybe a power we get near the end of the game?

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    • That would make sense. I wonder if I can summon mini tornadoes or large tornadoes that we can control.

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    • If Deslin could conrtol daekness maybe he could use it to corupt the element he controls getting a dark element?

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    • The possibilities are endless for Delsin. Just think about it, if he met Cole he could have taken his powers. Even better, if he met the Beast (John White)....

      He technically has the best power of any conduit.

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    • I wish Sucker Punch would buy the rights to the [PROTOTYPE] franchise and continue the story, and interweave the mythology of both franchises.

      In my mind they're in the same 'universe.'

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    • Ugh. Prototype is a overly violent failure. I'd rather see nothing else springing from it.

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    • What Red said, and also to make matters worse...  Prototype is just overrated, I've played both games and they're both incredibly choppy compared to the underrated greatness of InFamous.  Don't insult Delsin by comparing him to a bad cliche character.  I MEAN REALLY.

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    • The.Outsider wrote:
      The possibilities are endless for Delsin. Just think about it, if he met Cole he could have taken his powers. Even better, if he met the Beast (John White)....

      He technically has the best power of any conduit.


      Thats true but that would make the game boring. Why? Easy with all those powers  he would be too powerful. Unless of course he can only control one at a time. In my opinion they should have just stuck with fire and smoke those two powers are perfect for each other like the perfect combo.

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    • The.Outsider wrote:
      The possibilities are endless for Delsin. Just think about it, if he met Cole he could have taken his powers. Even better, if he met the Beast (John White)....

      He technically has the best power of any conduit.

      Yeah, but's it's impossible for Delsin to meet either for them...considering THEY'RE DEAD!

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    • Electric Tuna wrote:
      What Red said, and also to make matters worse...  Prototype is just overrated, I've played both games and they're both incredibly choppy compared to the underrated greatness of InFamous.  Don't insult Delsin by comparing him to a bad cliche character.  I MEAN REALLY.


      I wouldn't say Alex Mercer is a cliché though. I mean, despite all of Prototype's bad performance, Alex is still an iconic and likeable character.

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    • Battlelord7 wrote:


      I wouldn't say Alex Mercer is a cliché though. I mean, despite all of Prototype's bad performance, Alex is still an iconic and likeable character.


      Somewhat, yes, but I wouldn't call him good or great, passing as a character though... Yeah...

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    • Lightbuster30 wrote:
      The.Outsider wrote:
      The possibilities are endless for Delsin. Just think about it, if he met Cole he could have taken his powers. Even better, if he met the Beast (John White)....

      He technically has the best power of any conduit.


      Thats true but that would make the game boring. Why? Easy with all those powers  he would be too powerful. Unless of course he can only control one at a time. In my opinion they should have just stuck with fire and smoke those two powers are perfect for each other like the perfect combo.

      Actually, Sucker Punch did say you can only choose from a set of powers. Not sure how many, but my guess is that you can set your powers to 2 capabilities at a time.


      I find Alex Mercer really powerful and can solo universes, and he's a likeable character. But the games lack impact and creativity, okay maybe they have creativity, but both aren't great games. If Sucker Punch does buy Prototype, maybe they can make a much more intriguing tale, seeing that they did well with infamous 1 and Festival of Blood's dark tone.


      Infamous is only underrated because its on PS3/4 only. It's so unfair. If there was only a way for it to be popular to other people

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    • CoreOfimBalance(COB) wrote:
      Lightbuster30 wrote:
      The.Outsider wrote:
      The possibilities are endless for Delsin. Just think about it, if he met Cole he could have taken his powers. Even better, if he met the Beast (John White)....

      He technically has the best power of any conduit.


      Thats true but that would make the game boring. Why? Easy with all those powers  he would be too powerful. Unless of course he can only control one at a time. In my opinion they should have just stuck with fire and smoke those two powers are perfect for each other like the perfect combo.

      Actually, Sucker Punch did say you can only choose from a set of powers. Not sure how many, but my guess is that you can set your powers to 2 capabilities at a time.


      I find Alex Mercer really powerful and can solo universes, and he's a likeable character. But the games lack impact and creativity, okay maybe they have creativity, but both aren't great games. If Sucker Punch does buy Prototype, maybe they can make a much more intriguing tale, seeing that they did well with infamous 1 and Festival of Blood's dark tone.


      Infamous is only underrated because its on PS3/4 only. It's so unfair. If there was only a way for it to be popular to other people

      Well this akes me think that with different power sets there will be obstecles in the gae that require different powers if that is the case.

      But I might just stick with fire and smoke because fire is my favorite element and power and again smoke is a good compliment to that power. Won't this also mean you will need different energy sources for different powers?

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    • They already said smoke for smoke, I would argue that you can just absorb smoke like how you drain electricity and is somehow able to use ice or fire powers in IF2. But Delsin's main ability is copying. Maybe they'd make it like that

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    • Delsin's power is not copying, it's taking. He removes their powers & uses it for himself.

      By the way, regarding a comment from earlier, if you read what I said about Delsin taking Cole's powers, you will notice it is in the past tense "could've".

      And, also, I am a fan of Prototype, & it's actually really good if you give it more of a chance. You see, you can be a fan of Infamous & Prototype.

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    • Delsin Rowe is a hybrid of Alex Mercer, Cole MacGrath, and Dante from DmC.

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    • Battlelord7 wrote:
      Delsin Rowe is a hybrid of Alex Mercer, Cole MacGrath, and Dante from DmC.

      That "reboot" Dante isn't Dante, he is Donte or Dino. He doesn't deserve to have the same name as the badass of gaming.

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    • Jim Logan wrote:
      Battlelord7 wrote:
      Delsin Rowe is a hybrid of Alex Mercer, Cole MacGrath, and Dante from DmC.
      That "reboot" Dante isn't Dante, he is Donte or Dino. He doesn't deserve to have the same name as the badass of gaming.


      Do you honestly think I care?

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    • No, just saying :P. Didn't mean to offend you or anything.

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    • I am NOT in the mood for fights right now.

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    • Yo man, neither am I.

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    • Let me be the one to break the ice: do you think that by the end of the game Delsin will be super OP (in a good way). Because, when you think about it, once all the missions are done, you just want to mess around & cause mayhem.

      Another question ----

      Now, I'm going to raise a question that I find very interesting: do you think Delsin can absorb powers from dead Conduits? I'm assuming you're all getting what I'm hinting at, but if you don't, just ask.

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    • Question 1:I think it will be like InFamous 2, because by the end no matter what Karma route you took you were severly overpowered compared to the enemies. 


      Question 2:First thing, THEY'RE BIOTERRORISTS THEY'RE RENAMED BIOTERROISTS :P If this wiki wants to be professional we need to be politically correct! Second thing, I dont think he would absorb powers from dead Bioterroists because that would become dangerously close to BioShock.

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    • Ok, where did it ever state that Conduits, by species, were called bioterrorists? That's like calling anyone from aghfganistan a terrorist. Conduits are Conduits. The DUP can call them bio-terrorists, but that is not their species. It's actually funny, because in one of the interviews they say, & I quote "We would be stupid not to have Delsin meet other Conduits"

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    • Dude I am joking :P But the DUP renamed them into Bioterrorists. Oh and one of Red's links has the information about the DUP renaming them.

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    • Oh, sorry. Honestly, I didn't know you were joking.

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    • No problemo.

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    • By the way, why don't you think he can absorb powers from dead Conduits? Maybe he gets that power at the end?

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    • Well that would be too easy, just killing a Cond...Bioterrorist and absorbing it's powers would be far too simple. I think it would be similar to the Bioleech, either you save the Bioterroist and you get just a bit of power or you murder him and take all his power...oh wait that's pretty much the same....Damn.

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    • I was kind of thinking that Delsin could find Cole's corps &.... well you know what I'm saying.

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    • I don't know...that would just seem like a copout...I mean come on, I think it's time for a change of pace from electricity to smoke powers.

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    • Yup, calling Prototype a bad game wasn't fair of me. Even if I just rented it for three days. Guess it's my annoyance somehow


      But if Delsin does find Cole's corpse and somehow gets his powers... Well that would be sick... But then again, what if Cole was alive now but lost his conduit powers after the lightning strike? Could Delsin still get some powers from him? Or does he gain nothing but a tutor for his powers?

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    • Cole is dead, in I:SS he would have been dead and decayed for 7 years. Plus Sucker Punch has confirmed Cole will not physically appear.

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    • If you're the military, wouldn't you try to preserve one of the greatest/worst (YMMV) conduits in a cyrogenic chamber in hopes to experiment on him?

      Oh well, guess we get to see newer characters. Maybe Zeke...

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    • I've said it before and I'll say it again to any that still argue. Cole...is....dead..Zeke isn't, so it's possible he's there, which would be epic. Cole was great, but look at what you can do with his legacy instead of him. I'm tired of seeing a bunch of "Revive Cole!" Comments.

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    • I didn't insist that Cole was alive. I merely asked a 'won't you do that if you can'? But I doubt the military would even get to his corpse.

      Maybe Zeke would be crafting us some new weapons or vehicles. Which reminds me, does anyone think that Delsin has a weakness? Cole has can't ride cars, touch guns and water. What about Delsin? Any guesses?

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    • It wasn't meant for you, it was meant for all those crackpots out there

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    • CoreOfimBalance(COB) wrote:
      I didn't insist that Cole was alive. I merely asked a 'won't you do that if you can'? But I doubt the military would even get to his corpse.

      Maybe Zeke would be crafting us some new weapons or vehicles. Which reminds me, does anyone think that Delsin has a weakness? Cole has can't ride cars, touch guns and water. What about Delsin? Any guesses?

      I'm guessing his weakness will be women..just saying.

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    • Wouldn't it make sense for his weakness to be water?

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    • No! Fans! Fans and wind tunnels are his weaknesses!

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    • That would be strange. Besides, smoke is generated by fire & fire doesn't mix with water. 

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    • It would be funny though :P

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    • His original weakness might be the range of his copying power, however he may also take weaknesses that the original user had.

      I think that if he copies too many powers he'll be more vulnerable to certain things, for example, say he's vulnerable to water, then he absorbs someone's electric power, the result might be Delsin frying himself like Cole, plus water extinguishing his flames

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    • That's a possibility italian guy. Maybe the more he absorbs, the weaker the other gets? Or some of his other abilities are locked? Maybe if we stick with one power, we get to unlock newer and exclusive powers for it?

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    • Kinda reminds me of Buu from Dragon Ball Z how his original form was his strongest, then he absorbed people and he got weaker.

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    • He didn't get weaker, in fact he got stronger. He just became more demented and he lost his mind more and more, and it made it easier for him to be killed.

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    • I'm going to just say that the conversation on Dragonball needs to end with that. Lets not get off topic.

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      • Crosses arms like a child about to have a tantrum* Fine. But, since I am not a huge fan of the [Prototype] series, and people keep saying that Mercer could murder the Beast(which less face it, anyone can he was easy as hell), I think Rowe would win. No hate please.
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    • Rowe couldn't win without absorbing a massive amount of power. Alex survived a nuke. He's just too hard to kill, and impossible to kill with Smoke.

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    • What would happen to Alex if Delsin were to turn him into smoke, but instead of turning Alex back, Delsin left him like that? Would Alex be still alive as smoke?

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    • There's nothing that's shown Delsin can do that, and I doubt there ever will be.

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    • yeah, you're probably right. would be cool though.

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    • Shame we will never know Alex's full range of powers. 

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    • I could see turning someone into smoke being something like Bio Leech in SS. Depending on whether Delsin could kill the Beast is what it comes down to. The Beast and Delsin both survived nukes, so if Delsin could kill the Beast, he has more going for him against Mercer.

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    • Okay first off, when Alex Mercer was hit by the nuke, he ended up like any other. Splattered to bits. Being even on the outer edge of the nuke blast killed him. He only survived because of that one unlucky crow and after consuming it, he was really weakened. I swear that I survive nuke thing is annoying. It's just like the beast respawning after a nuke attack! If alex was left alone and was hit by a nuke with no other organism around him, he would've been like that forever until captured or he captures someone.


      And The beast was trying to minimize the damage he was doing. So naturally you don't get to see that black hole attack being used as a big scale attack. He has city buster attacks that can be triggered in a second, a black hole like attack that pulverizes everything, and some sort of control over gravitational field. The Beast would NOT be so easily killed by Alex Mercer.


      Anyway back on topic, unless I see more of Delsin's powers, the only way for him to win for now is for hit and run and ambush with fireballs and smoke dash. I can see him dodging almost every attack Mercer does except for that OP Medusa's gaze attack


      On the other hand, what if Delsin can compress smoke around a target. And with a clench of a fist, either the smoke converge and shred the target, or said target explodes. Would that be a cool ability? OP though

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    • The point about Alex is that he bounced back. Any other characters hit my a nuke wouldn't due that. The beast was just stupid. A nuclear missile that size would cause fallout all over the world, even if the beast absorbed the explosion, the radiation and initial blast that he couldn't get would be more than enough to blast that swamp and maybe even New Marais right off the map.

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    • Sucker Punch made the Beast survive a nuke to make him seem more threatening.

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    • Which kinda made him seem overestimated, compared to what he actually was like in-game

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    • I know right? Anyway....I'm throwing in my vote to Rowe. Oh yeah, did you know that Cole's alternate attire Kessler. If you unlock the blue alternate color swap thing, Cole's outfit turns into Alex Mercer's outfit from [PROTOTYPE]

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    • Wasn't Alex washed a distance from the blast to the shore before consuming the crow? It could've been days too when he was caught by the nuke

      Gameplay mechanics and canon are two pretty different things. I mean in Prototpye, you can die from bullets if you stay still for too long (maybe an hour? Not sure, it's been awhile since I played that game), but naturally he's treated as never dying from bullets. Even then The Beast was still threatening, being able to survive any attack and capable of easily destroying cities in seconds, especially Beast Cole.

      And Cole gets Alex's outfit? Must see

      Edit - On the other hand till I see Delsin's full potential Alex has the lead in my view

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    • Sorry, didn't finish. His alternate attire in Playstation All Stars Battle Royal.

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    • Let's just put it this way: until we know the full potential of Delsin, Alex wins. So this thread should be dropped until ISS is out.

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    • I was hoping someone wouldn't end it, but you're right I think. Until the game comes out, I don't think we can decide whether either wins. How do you compare something that's super powerful to something that has the potential, but you don't know what it has in store? You can't, so until then, I think it should be closed.

      Okay, then I realized it's all suppose to be based on appearance, not powers. New thoughts lol?

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